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Re: Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

Postby yorost » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:24 am

Those info posters are propaganda, they spill selective evidence without details or context. It doesn't matter if Dayton should be chosen based on that data represented, maybe it does, but nobody should take these posters that seriously.
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Re: Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

Postby BillEsq » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:25 am

yorost wrote:Those info posters are propaganda, they spill selective evidence without details or context. It doesn't matter if Dayton should be chosen based on that data represented, maybe it does, but nobody should take these posters that seriously.



Agree most of this stuff in interesting but all data can be skewed however you want it.
As a wise man once said.. there are lies, Damn lies, and statistics.
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Re: Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

Postby cm5yz6 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:40 am

Throwbackmuskie wrote:I vote to stay at 10. No need to add others just for the sake of adding others. I like the true round robin.

But IF they do have to go, STL and Richmond are the way to go. Split the conference East/West mainly for Olympic Sports.



Agreed. SAINT LOUIS and RICHMOND make the most sense.
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Re: Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

Postby XU85 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:12 am

glen wrote:
podcast411 wrote:Here is a nice chart that shows real TV market sizes along with what the TV Ratings watching BB Games are.

http://playertology.com/catholic-7-infographic/

Plus some other interesting facts.

It's funny how this info skews to Dayton. If its the best inductor, why aren't the Flyers in?


Because Fox is more considered about households nationally than locally.
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Re: Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

Postby tman » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:34 am

XU85 wrote:
glen wrote:
podcast411 wrote:Here is a nice chart that shows real TV market sizes along with what the TV Ratings watching BB Games are.

http://playertology.com/catholic-7-infographic/

Plus some other interesting facts.

It's funny how this info skews to Dayton. If its the best inductor, why aren't the Flyers in?


Because Fox is more considered about households nationally than locally.


Again anything anti Dayton from an X fan should be considered biased.
What proof do you have that Richmond, or any other team is NATIONALLY more attractive? The answer is you don't.

Any evidence (and there is plenty of it) that Dayton is the stronger candidate will quickly be dismissed.
X does not in any way want UD to joint them in this conference. Dayton and X don't like each other. The dislike is very real. Thats is why this rivalry is listed among the best in all college basketball (espn). Many are willing to stretch the truth or totally ignore the facts in order to put UD in a negative light.

X fans are posting on every possible site in an attempt to bad mouth UD.
X will play politics (as will some others). EVERYONE IN DAYTON KNOWS THIS INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION. As they have stated so to the dayton daily news.

Keep that in mind. Read between the lines.
Richmond wants the invite---I get that. I don't blame them.
Any evidence pro Dayton is regarded as propaganda. Other posters claim they know what Fox wants (and its always not dayton).

I hope that the people who matter take a close look at the choices and do their homewok WITHOUT POLITICS. If thats the case--Dayton wins, hands down.
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Re: Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

Postby yorost » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:52 am

A proof of who has more pull nationally wasn't important to the comment. It's a fair criticism that the info poster only points to local numbers.

It's the same as VCU vs Richmond. VCU fans make a great case that VCU is a better draw (at least right now) in Richmond, but while that is nice it doesn't help at all in telling which school is the stronger brand for a national broadcast. It doesn't matter what the answer is, it's just that local numbers are only one aspect.
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Re: Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

Postby cm5yz6 » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:55 am

XU85 wrote:
glen wrote:
podcast411 wrote:It's funny how this info skews to Dayton. If its the best inductor, why aren't the Flyers in?


Because Fox is more considered about households nationally than locally.


Again anything anti Dayton from an X fan should be considered biased.
What proof do you have that Richmond, or any other team is NATIONALLY more attractive? The answer is you don't.

Any evidence (and there is plenty of it) that Dayton is the stronger candidate will quickly be dismissed.
X does not in any way want UD to joint them in this conference. Dayton and X don't like each other. The dislike is very real. Thats is why this rivalry is listed among the best in all college basketball (espn). Many are willing to stretch the truth or totally ignore the facts in order to put UD in a negative light.

X fans are posting on every possible site in an attempt to bad mouth UD.
X will play politics (as will some others). EVERYONE IN DAYTON KNOWS THIS INCLUDING THE ADMINISTRATION. As they have stated so to the dayton daily news.

Keep that in mind. Read between the lines.
Richmond wants the invite---I get that. I don't blame them.
Any evidence pro Dayton is regarded as propaganda. Other posters claim they know what Fox wants (and its always not dayton).

I hope that the people who matter take a close look at the choices and do their homewok WITHOUT POLITICS. If thats the case--Dayton wins, hands down.


Goodness! Dayton fans are legitimately the worst at biased posting. If you are going to call Xavier fans out, then I believe some self-examination is necessary. The addition of Richmond provides another state, in particularly, a state which is not currently a strong Fox market. You really think that the bars and restaurants in Dayton aren't going to have Fox Sports Ohio if Dayton isn't in the Big East? No, they will DEFINITELY have it. However, Richmond/VA Beach/Norfolk places will not pick up a bundled Fox sports package if Richmond is not included. That is the point. The Big East media footprint is significantly expanded by the addition of Richmond (more so than the addition of Dayton). It honestly doesn’t really consider the fact that you all have higher attendance; you wouldn’t provide new opportunities for Fox. That is what we are talking about.
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Re: Will Big East stay at 10 or grow to 12 in 2014?

Postby Bostonspider » Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:58 am

Politics is one of the things that got Creighton in. Their president is on Marquette's board. Now I am not saying that they are not a worthy addition, but politics always play a part. If Xavier, Georgetown and Villanova would rather have Richmond than Dayton, how is that politics? That might just be preference. Xavier does not want a close rival to recruit against. Georgetown and Villanova want another eastern school they can bus all their sports to. Georgetown and Richmond have insitutional connections and similarities. Villanova and UR have CAA Football ties.. Nothing is ever just by some set of numbers.
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