Report - Initial 10 Team League? Creighton or Richmond?

[yorost]

The BE7 are almost certainly going to have credits. It sounds like, at the very least, they keep the ones they earned while the negotiations are on credits from former members. This is more akin to dividing the conference than 7 just leaving. This new conference could start with a lot of money.

[xu5595]

The BE7 are almost certainly going to have credits. It sounds like, at the very least, they keep the ones they earned while the negotiations are on credits from former members. This is more akin to dividing the conference than 7 just leaving. This new conference could start with a lot of money.

The BE7 isn't going to share that money with any of the added members, and the new conference certainly isn't going to have any legal rights to that money anyway.

[yorost]

You seem convinced of it, why? Do most conferences not share credit revenue with incoming members?

[xu5595]

You seem convinced of it, why? Do most conferences not share credit revenue with incoming members?

For starters, a new conference hasn't even been legally formed. That won't happen until all the legal matters are settle including any settlement between the BE7 and the Big East Conference regarding any credit revenue. Once that's settled, it's not as simple as just giving the BE7 their credits and both parties go on their way. While credits are used by the NCAA to distribute revenue to the conferences, conferences decide how to distribute that revenue to its members. Since this would be a settlement between BE7 and the Big East, the distribution that is going to be affected is the latter. The likely scenario would be that the NCAA would give the entire distribution for those credits to the Big East, which in turn the Big East would need to cut a settlement check annually to those 7 schools individually. Do I foresee the BE7 than taking that money and putting it into a new conference to be once again redistributed? No, and I don't think they should.

[BillEsq]

technically speaking the new conference will start with 0 credits. the C7 is negotiating to get their credits and their share of credits previouslly earned by other members. they will likely keep their credits. As far as credits previously earned by other members they will probably end up trading those in for -early exit/MSG/name/ or cash up front from payouts from other BE members who have left. Cash up front is preferable and you can use that as start up money.
As far as credits already earned the C7 will keep their half of the credit and the remaining half goes to the conference. the new members moving up loose all credits and come in with nothing. I would assume that the C7 will split the halves equally between themselves and the new members. It is possible that some start up costs will come in play, but unless the C7 for whatever reason wanted to be real stingy it makes no sense to split amongst the new members. They would have budgeted for this already. Remember if they stay they have to split it 19 ways even split 12 ways its not that much and as the math shows the small amount you gain by splitting it 7 vs. even 12 would not equate the goodwill that you would destroy.

But to go back to the the issue on hand it is virtually impossible to argue that 10 makes more sense than 12 in financial terms it also does not really make sense for theC7 to set up a league of haves and have nots. Yes they could try to screw the new members but outside of some odd ball rumors that are rather easily dismissed as false it does not make good business sense to do it.

-of course this is all with the caveat that not all decisions in the NCAA make any sense so therefore anything is possible- but i find it highly unlikely that the C7 are going to go out of their way to screw the new members.

[Omaha1]

I don't think Creighton gets in unless SLU does too and it sounds less and less likely that SLU is going to be invited.

[BillEsq]

I don't think Creighton gets in unless SLU does too and it sounds less and less likely that SLU is going to be invited.

I think you are wrong on both accounts... i don't think Creighton getting in is any way predicated on SLU getting in. I'm not sure where the whole Creighton needs SLU to get in got started. In reality they are not better travel companions then Creighton DePaul and Creighton Marquette. Plus I think you can make a case for Creighton on its own. Good Bball program, good non-rev programs, fits the institutional model, Great facilities and fan support, name recognition, and the NCAA hosts the Baseball World Series there for a reason. That said Creighton's negatives is that it is much further west then any other considered school (besides the wcc schools), its from a tier 2 city, and it will be coming up from a true mid-major conference.

St louis is pretty close to a lock even if its bball program wasn't resurgent right now. It hits all the other qualifications plus has the Fox ace in the hole. Fox MW... one of fox's best regionals is there. St. Louis's weakest point is its number of past NCAA's which outside of a 6 year unit earning period is actually quite worthless. St. Louis has shown that in the past 20 years it can play at worst competitive bball in major conferences (old CUSA - and A-ten) and at best be a strong to dominant member of the conference.

That said i think all things show the league at 12 schools X B and STL are in, The question becomes Richmond, VCU, Creighton, and Dayton for the other 2.
if you want a clean east west split its Rich v. VCU and Creighton v. Datyon. If its not a clean east west slit then you can have Creighton and Dayton model. There is no way both Rich and VCU get in. Personally i would choose Creighton and Dayton but that is really a toss up. I also don't think Creighton making the tournament or not really effects this much, I do however need them to win the valley or I'll be eating crowpie again.

[jkc_dawgs]

I think that Creighton and Richmond get the ax.

[Bostonspider]

I think the Midwesterners on this board undersell the fact that the current C7 is made up of mostly east coast schools, who will likely want to keep the eastern flavor of the conference. That is why I think that it is a lock that either Richmond or VCU gets in. Personally, I think the private school gets in, as VCU is just too different an institution from the 7 + all the other candidates. I just cannot see the 5 eastern schools accepting the conference becoming a majority Midwestern league.

[BillEsq]

I think the Midwesterners on this board undersell the fact that the current C7 is made up of mostly east coast schools, who will likely want to keep the eastern flavor of the conference. That is why I think that it is a lock that either Richmond or VCU gets in. Personally, I think the private school gets in, as VCU is just too different an institution from the 7 + all the other candidates. I just cannot see the 5 eastern schools accepting the conference becoming a majority Midwestern league.

I think your right Boston, i prefer Creighton and Dayton but unfortunately i think you are right i think either richmond or VCU is in and i think Richmond might be in the driver seat. That leaves Creighton and Dayton in the west. Any chance Richmond restarts their soccer program, i know they just ended it but can't be too hard to restart after less than a year out? i might have to switch to cheering for VCU they have been good kicking a round ball recently .