2023 Coaching Carousel

[stever20]

Jasper--
God Shammgod wants you to go back 26 years to 1997, not 25.

Haha, I was actually thinking of that.

Of course what's amazing is if you just are doing the last 25 seasons where year 25 is 22-23, year 1 would now be the 98-99 season, the year St John's made the elite 8 . So that would be falling off next year.

[Omaha1]

By the way, what is everyone's opinion on Georgetown looking to grab the coach of a fellow Big East school ? It's never happened before and there is no excuse, and i can't believe the Hoyas are doing this. If true, this is bad bad behavior, almost unforgivable.

I’d be shocked, not that GTown would offer, but if he would take it.

That would be the ultimate Hoyas flex on PC if they pulled Cooley away.

[Jasper67]

This is a fluid situation, but I think it's way too early to conclude that a football school like Penn State is a better job than Georgetown.

Just to be clear about something. I’m not saying that Penn State is a better job than Georgetown. What I’m saying is that there’s risk involved precisely because this is such a fluid situation. I would exercise caution if I were Shrewsberry not because iof what is known but because of what is unknown. Anyone here do risk assessment for a living?

As for the low profile of the basketball program at Penn State, let me point to what Billy Donovan did at Florida. Could there be a bigger football program than Florida? Donovan’s predecessor got the ball rolling with a FF IN ‘94. Between the two of them, they got Florida to 5 Final 4’s and 2 NC’s I 20 years. If it can be done there, why not at PSU? Look at what Lute Olson did at Arizona. 4 F4’s and a NC IN 15 years. Nothing before or since at that school. Look at what Jim Calhoun did at UConn. He completely transformed a program which had no profile before he got there.

Is the past prelude to the future? The roadside is littered with the carcasses of once great programs. Ohio State, one of the great programs of the ‘60’s went 30+ years between Final 4’s. Cross-state rival Cincinnati was even bigger in that era. They’ve been to 1 Final 4 in the 60 years since. San Francisco was to the post-war decade what Georgetown was to the ‘80s - but bigger. Haven’t been heard from since. NC State broke the UCLA run and won 2 NCs within a decade - before Duke had won any. Nothing since. Indiana was always considered a too 5 job, but they haven’t been to a Final 4 in 20 years and their last NC was 35 years ago. St. John’s was the dominant program in the East a long, long time ago. Their NYC location made that considered to be a top job. Not now.

My point is that great coaches will win anywhere. Their program needs to be at a certain level if they want to win NCs, but beyond that the program’s history doesn’t matter much. Shrewsberry has everything he needs to be successful at Penn State. In uncertain times, I personally don’t see why he would leave now that he’s got his program headed in the right direction. If I were him, I might, however, use the threat of leaving for another top job as leverage to renegotiate my contract.

I completely get it that others look at this situation differently than I do, so I enjoy the exchange.

[Jasper67]

Jasper--
God Shammgod wants you to go back 26 years to 1997, not 25.

Haha, I was actually thinking of that.

Of course what's amazing is if you just are doing the last 25 seasons where year 25 is 22-23, year 1 would now be the 98-99 season, the year St John's made the elite 8 . So that would be falling off next year.

Yep, that’s what I was doing.

[stever20]

How about this- year 1 in the 25 years now would have been the final year of John Thompson at Georgetown(as coach that is!). Yeah it's been that long now.

[Hall2012]

Shocking for sure, and would quickly make Georgetown the conference "villain" again. They hate from PC would run especially deep, but they'll get it from everywhere. Except maybe from UConn.

[Hall2012]

Looking at the potential next domino...

If Cooley does leave Providence for Georgetown, does PC give Pitino a look? If they do, you'd have to think there's a decent chance he chooses a return to the Friars over St. John's.

[stever20]

Looking at the potential next domino...

If Cooley does leave Providence for Georgetown, does PC give Pitino a look? If they do, you'd have to think there's a decent chance he chooses a return to the Friars over St. John's.

With how he's talked about Providence I'd say that'd be almost certain.

Another name that could be interesting should Pitino already be at St John's- what about Billy Donovan?

[GoldenWarrior11]

Looking at the potential next domino...

If Cooley does leave Providence for Georgetown, does PC give Pitino a look? If they do, you'd have to think there's a decent chance he chooses a return to the Friars over St. John's.

With how he's talked about Providence I'd say that'd be almost certain.

Another name that could be interesting should Pitino already be at St John's- what about Billy Donovan?

I believe the Bulls are paying him $6 million annually now. And that's without bonuses. Since they just extended him, I don't think he is looking for a way out. Nothing is impossible, but I think Providence would need to look at an $8 million annually salary as a starting point. Donovan could also jump ship to Kentucky, whenever Calipari leaves.

St. John's vs. Providence for Pitino would be mighty interesting.

IMO, I think any BE school approaching any current HC or AD should be off-limits. Legally, that can't occur, but it disrupts the nature of a conference. Creating any internal tiers (and there are external ones for sure) is bad for the growth of the league. The only way, in this situation, it could work out for everyone is if G'Town gets Cooley (if he is their #1), Providence gets Pitino (the name and history alone still make it a win for Providence) and St. John's gets another big name/proven winner (I am struggling to think of who a good fit for them would be outside of Pitino).

[billyjack]

Shocking for sure, and would quickly make Georgetown the conference "villain" again. They hate from PC would run especially deep, but they'll get it from everywhere. Except maybe from UConn.

Yeah, right? Around (or at least) 28% of the PC fanbase is made of mentalcases (as Jay Wright pointed out on Sunday, lol). I can't imagine what the scene would be like when Georgetown visits next year.

Obviously i'd want Pitino first, but that would suck for St John's and the conference.

Best case is like Stever just posted, that Billy Donovan returns here to PC, and the Johnnies get Pitino.