Which BEast programs NEED to succeed

[aughnanure]

Perfect situation:

All 10 great in OOC...Then the conference shake out however it does. That could get 5 bids pretty easily.

I'll be rooting for all of the Big East teams while we waste Rick Majerus' last class of recruits.

I don't know about anybody else, but I'll be rooting for St. Louis, Richmond, Dayton, and VCU to be the top 4 in the A10. Even if we never end up being conference mates I still have a lot of respect for all your programs.

Really, Dayton? joking.

I won't root for VCU. I think Havoc is a fraud that has somehow been allowed to let their player mug, hang, and hold every guard up the court. Their defense is pretty horrendous when it actually has to defend an offense at half court.

[JOPO]

The world needs ditch diggers too, and that is why we have seton hall and DePaul. Unfortunately, the league would benefit from DePaul and St. John's getting their acts together, but it does not appear that DePaul is going to start winning anytime soon. Seton hall is probably the least Important team I terms if success.

Really? You're obviously clueless. A strong SHU/SJU rivalry with both teams being strong is very important in the NJ/NYC media market. This is the largest market and the two largest teams. Their success will help the success of the conference enormously.

[IamJack]

The world needs ditch diggers too, and that is why we have seton hall and DePaul. Unfortunately, the league would benefit from DePaul and St. John's getting their acts together, but it does not appear that DePaul is going to start winning anytime soon. Seton hall is probably the least Important team I terms if success.

Really? You're obviously clueless. A strong SHU/SJU rivalry with both teams being strong is very important in the NJ/NYC media market. This is the largest market and the two largest teams. Their success will help the success of the conference enormously.

can you please clarify? thanks

[IamJack]

Some combo of 4 out of 5 need to succeed: Hoyas, Wildcats, Warriors, Redmen, and Blue Demons. If only 3 of those 5 + two out of X + Provvy + Butler + Jays, we'll be good too.

[WaitingPatiently]

My main concern about Creighton is more that Greg McDermott is not Dana Altman.

Greg has as many tourney wins at Creighton in 3 years as Dana did in his long tenure. This conference move wouldn't have been possible without Dana restoring the program from the depths it hit under Rick Johnson, but for various reasons and circumstances March success outside of StL eluded him. Heck he matched his Creighton tourney win total last season with Oregon. There are a lot of fans who felt (unfairly?) that Altman's success at Creighton plateaued and a change was going to have to happen to climb even higher.

[WaitingPatiently]

Creighton has had great facilities for a while, and recruiting has been lukewarm at best. Butler and especially Xavier have already been recruiting at a high level. I want the Jays to succeed and I think they can, but I have my concerns. Going into and winning a battle for a top 150 recruit would do a lot to put put my skepticism aside.

They are picked as one of the top BE teams this season without any of these 'high level' recruits on roster. Granted you can't often expect a lesser recruited player to turn into a likely 3 time AA. And a team at the top without those recruits will be more of an exception than the norm.

But the recruiting is an inexact science and players often have different ratings from different services. A guy at 75 on one may be 225 on another. The top 40-50 seem to be somewhat static in makeup (not necessarily the rank), but outside of that it seems like throwing darts. The last couple top 100 kids that Creighton landed all turned out to be disasters. P'Allen Stinnett was a cancer that wore out his welcome flashing glimpses of jaw dropping ability overshadowed by long stretches of boneheaded mistakes. Andrew Bock left after a year of invisibility and now struggles to see the floor for Pacific.

There's something to be said for having an eye for kids that will develop to exceed rankings. Picking a group of kids that will mesh as a team and compliment each other is also underappreciated.

[Friarfan2]

The world needs ditch diggers too, and that is why we have seton hall and DePaul. Unfortunately, the league would benefit from DePaul and St. John's getting their acts together, but it does not appear that DePaul is going to start winning anytime soon. Seton hall is probably the least Important team I terms if success.

Really? You're obviously clueless. A strong SHU/SJU rivalry with both teams being strong is very important in the NJ/NYC media market. This is the largest market and the two largest teams. Their success will help the success of the conference enormously.

A strong St. John's would benefit. But seton hall is a pi,ole in the ass of the ny media market. They don't matter.

[aughnanure]

Creighton has had great facilities for a while, and recruiting has been lukewarm at best. Butler and especially Xavier have already been recruiting at a high level. I want the Jays to succeed and I think they can, but I have my concerns. Going into and winning a battle for a top 150 recruit would do a lot to put put my skepticism aside.

They are picked as one of the top BE teams this season without any of these 'high level' recruits on roster. Granted you can't often expect a lesser recruited player to turn into a likely 3 time AA. And a team at the top without those recruits will be more of an exception than the norm.

But the recruiting is an inexact science and players often have different ratings from different services. A guy at 75 on one may be 225 on another. The top 40-50 seem to be somewhat static in makeup (not necessarily the rank), but outside of that it seems like throwing darts. The last couple top 100 kids that Creighton landed all turned out to be disasters. P'Allen Stinnett was a cancer that wore out his welcome flashing glimpses of jaw dropping ability overshadowed by long stretches of boneheaded mistakes. Andrew Bock left after a year of invisibility and now struggles to see the floor for Pacific.

There's something to be said for having an eye for kids that will develop to exceed rankings. Picking a group of kids that will mesh as a team and compliment each other is also underappreciated.

Well, that would kind of disparity be really rare. Really, just look at the RSCI rankings to get a full view.

[DumpsterFireA10]

Perfect situation:

All 10 great in OOC...Then the conference shake out however it does. That could get 5 bids pretty easily.

I'll be rooting for all of the Big East teams while we waste Rick Majerus' last class of recruits.

I don't know about anybody else, but I'll be rooting for St. Louis, Richmond, Dayton, and VCU to be the top 4 in the A10. Even if we never end up being conference mates I still have a lot of respect for all your programs.

Finishing at the top of the A-10? Better than finishing last, but not much more relevant.

[aughnanure]

My main concern about Creighton is more that Greg McDermott is not Dana Altman.

Greg has as many tourney wins at Creighton in 3 years as Dana did in his long tenure. This conference move wouldn't have been possible without Dana restoring the program from the depths it hit under Rick Johnson, but for various reasons and circumstances March success outside of StL eluded him. Heck he matched his Creighton tourney win total last season with Oregon. There are a lot of fans who felt (unfairly?) that Altman's success at Creighton plateaued and a change was going to have to happen to climb even higher.

Thanks for the insight - Creighton has just not run into a nice tourney run for such a long time so it wasn't going to be hard to surpass that. A litt is luck, a little is having more difficult 1st round matchups when coming from a mid-major conference.

I guess his tenure at Iowa st scares me a lot, and not recruiting very high talent outside his son. I don't think he'll turn you guys into DePaul. He'll keep you competitive, but probably around 5-7 most years if recruiting doesn't improve. Or maybe he can really be the Bill Snyder of college basketball.