Rank the 12 schools in value to the new league

[Bostonspider]

I think the school with the largest football number would be Villanova, followed by Richmond, then Georgetown and Butler. Looking at all four schools stadiums, I cannot see any worries about those four trying to go FBS..

Villanova Stadium


Robins Stadium (Richmond)


Multi-Sport Field (Georgetown)


Butler Bowl

[thegalen]

I think you need to recheck the italicized part.

Creighton's basketball spending exceeds Butler's by half a million dollars.

Also, to compare these numbers, I think football spending should be subtracted. Since we know the new conference will NOT have football, FB spending seems irrelevant to me and complete skews the overall numbers. In fact, I'd even go a bit further and argue that if FB spending is a large part of overall spending, caution may be in order.

Creighton also leases their arena. On top of the standard lease, the Jays were required by MECA to buy all club-level seating as a package for every event held in the Link Center (this includes every CU game, UNO hockey game, concerts). z

So, if possible, this should be factored in as well.

[BillEsq]

Another problem with expenses is that these schools are all for the most part private schools and do not need to necessarily report expenses the same way a public school would. While neat to look at there are so many potential variables and pitfalls that I doubt these will be the figures placed on the table when all the presidents sit down to hash out details.

[Bluejay]

Creighton also leases their arena.

True. When the city offers you a state of the art, NBA caliber arena with a capacity of 18,500 seats less than five minutes from your campus, its is pretty silly to build your own. The rent is based on a really complicated formula in which, when all factors are figured in, results in very minimal, if any, yearly out of pocket rental payments from Creighton. The only real drawback is that there are occasional scheduling conflicts.

On top of the standard lease, the Jays were required by MECA to buy all club-level seating as a package for every event held in the Link Center (this includes every CU game, UNO hockey game, concerts).

Not accurate. Creighton doesn't buy all club-level seating for every event in the Century Link Center. Creighton absolutely does not own the club seats for concerts, UNO hockey, US Swim trials, NCAA tournaments, US Figure Skating Trials or anything else that comes through the arena. Now, the club seat owners may be required to purchase Creighton season tickets, but that only benefits Creighton rather than harms it.

At last count, Creighton had about 13,500 season ticket holders. Yes, season ticket holders.

[thegalen]

Creighton also leases their arena.

True. When the city offers you a state of the art, NBA caliber arena with a capacity of 18,500 seats less than five minutes from your campus, its is pretty silly to build your own. The rent is based on a really complicated formula in which, when all factors are figured in, results in very minimal, if any, yearly out of pocket rental payments from Creighton. The only real drawback is that there are occasional scheduling conflicts.

Right, of course you do, just like you rent MSG if you can afford it. But it's silly to pretend that money spent on MSG is money that can be spent on anything else. You pay for your space which you do not own, and that payment really doesn't tell anyone anything. VCU or UR could take out a reverse mortgage on the arenas they own and count that as revenue, but it would obviously be pretty stupid for me to try and tout that as proof that either program is rolling in that much more cash as if it was traditional revenue. Whatever you spend on renting your arena, it's more than VCU or UR spend on not renting their arenas. If we're taking football spending out, and rental spending out for MSG etc., we should take Linkcenter rental spending out as well.

On top of the standard lease, the Jays were required by MECA to buy all club-level seating as a package for every event held in the Link Center (this includes every CU game, UNO hockey game, concerts).

Not accurate. Creighton doesn't buy all club-level seating for every event in the Century Link Center. Creighton absolutely does not own the club seats for concerts, UNO hockey, US Swim trials, NCAA tournaments, US Figure Skating Trials or anything else that comes through the arena. Now, the club seat owners may be required to purchase Creighton season tickets, but that only benefits Creighton rather than harms it.

Happy to be wrong. You should ask Creighton's hometown beat writer to issue a correction:

The contract with MECA called for club-level seats to be sold to patrons for a package of CU hoops, UNO hockey and concerts. Rasmussen said that wasn't acceptable. Instead, CU bought the club-level seats from MECA and sold them to its fans. Same with the parking garage for CU events. The idea was to produce more revenue. Another gamble.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130119/B ... 99839/1140

[Bluejay]

Happy to be wrong. You should ask Creighton's hometown beat writer to issue a correction:

The contract with MECA called for club-level seats to be sold to patrons for a package of CU hoops, UNO hockey and concerts. Rasmussen said that wasn't acceptable. Instead, CU bought the club-level seats from MECA and sold them to its fans. Same with the parking garage for CU events. The idea was to produce more revenue. Another gamble.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20130119/B ... 99839/1140

You are not reading that correctly.

CU bought the club level seats for CREIGHTON games only and sold those seats to CREIGHTON fans for CREIGHTON games only. They did that instead of having MECA automatically include them in a ticket package. In other words, Creighton didn't need MECA to sell their seats for them; Creighton was able to find enough buyers all by themselves. Creighton does NOT sell those same seats for every other event that takes place in the arena and the article clearly does not state that, despite your protestations to the contrary. Nice try though.

By the way, Tom Shatel is not the Creighton beat writer either, so you got that wrong too. Good thing being wrong makes you so happy!

[BillEsq]

bluejay i think galen is just trolling other hopefuls... lets face it anyone of us could easily give arguments for or against Creighton, Dayton, Slu, Richmond or VCU - honestly Butler or X for that matter. The fact is only 7 schools are for sure in and that is because they are already in. If they choose 5 schools consisting of Duquesne, Detroit, Sienna, University of Guam and the New Jersey Institute of Tech so be it. personally i would advise you to put money on the former 5 schools rather than the second 5 schools but i don't have unlimited access to inside sources, mad connections at Fox, and i don't snuggle with the AD's of GT and NOVA. Oddly enough with the sheer number of disgraced reporters turned bloggers, wanna be reporter bloggers, and overly hyper web fanboys who apparently have these contacts i doubt they would have enough time to chat with me anyways.

[WaitingPatiently]

Creighton did buy the parking garage for home games. Those spots are then given to donors that make an annual basketball-only donation of 5k+. Creighton's way of thanking them.