One time transfer proposal

The home for Big East hoops

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby gtmoBlue » Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:07 pm

The schools who are now known as "transfer U" destinations- Texas Tech, Iowa St., Creighton, San Diego St., and a few others will definitely benefit if the rule is changed. Creighton has very good success with picking up talented players on the rebound/2nd time around, off the transfer pool. I would expect the Jays to increase their take of transfers, especially given their miss rate on initial recruiting. Although with increasing seasonal successes, initial recruiting should improve and lessen the need for mining the transfer list.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." - Nicholas Klein (1918)
"Top tier teams rarely have true "down" years and find a way to stay relevant every year." - Adoraz

Creighton
User avatar
gtmoBlue
 
Posts: 2767
Joined: Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:59 am
Location: Latam

Re: One time transfer proposal

Sponsor

Sponsor
 

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby ArmyVet » Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:08 pm

NCAA is relaxing entrance requirements for this year.

The NCAA announced Friday that it is dramatically reducing the academic requirements that incoming Division I freshman athletes will need to meet in order to be eligible to practice and play during the 2020-21 school year.

These athletes will not be required to submit an SAT or ACT score, and their classroom work during this academic year essentially will be disregarded if they had earned at least a 2.3 grade-point average in 10 NCAA-approved core courses prior to the start of their senior year of high school. Seven of those 10 classes must be in English, math or science.


Good? Bad?
ArmyVet
 
Posts: 1168
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:12 am

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby xusandy » Thu Apr 23, 2020 12:43 pm

No doubt about it -- some college athletes (primarily football and basketball players) can generate significant financial value for almost everyone but themselves -- their coaches, those who recruit them, the universities they attend, the media that broadcasts their games, etc. The legal argument will prevail in the end, and either the NCAA takes steps PDQ to enhance player rights a bit, or the courts will step in to protect those rights. Hence the proposed rule change-- one free transfer in your college career.

If the new one-transfer rule is enacted, then of course there will be an adjustment period for players; a few "overperformers" will be able to move up to a higher level of competition, and a few "underperformers" will have to move down. Some kids who made bad choices as high school seniors will be able to go elsewhere a bit more easily. For the kids, the ability to transfer and play immediately is a perceived benefit, but since as many kids have to move down as can move up, the net effect will just be a bit more roster churn. How many kids will choose to transfer once for free during their career -- I dunno, but probably less than 20% in basketball, and way less than 10% in football.

Athletic programs and college conferences will also have to adjust. For truly big time programs, or maybe just for the top tier programs in P6 conferences -- there's the potential benefit of raiding lesser programs. For programs in lesser conferences, there's the risk of being raided vs. an opportunity to improve the team by raiding at the next level down, etc. etc. Some smart coaches will modify their recruiting strategies cleverly, either by choice or by necessity; others won't. But the number of scholarships available for college athletes, and the size/composition of the talent pool competing for those scholarships won't change much because of a new transfer rule. In the end, a new transfer rule will just add some additional variability to rosters, which means the rich might get richer at the expense of everyone else. But the rich always seem to get richer -- maybe we don't like it, but it's what inevitably happens in a democracy. Do you really prefer communism or dictatorship?

For us fans, there might be a lot less certainty about next year's team, and maybe the competitive balance among and within conferences will change somewhat. Some of us will be bummed out when our great team gets dismantled at the last minute, some of us thrilled when we seem to have "won" in this year's transfer game.

Lots of hysteria in this thread, just like every time a rule change is proposed in any sport. I've seen the "death of the game" too many times to worry about it. Adjustments. Life goes on.... LOL
xusandy
 
Posts: 249
Joined: Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:21 am

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby ArmyVet » Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:52 pm

NCAA will not vote on this proposal until next year now.
ArmyVet
 
Posts: 1168
Joined: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:12 am

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby GoldenWarrior11 » Fri May 01, 2020 9:46 am

ArmyVet wrote:NCAA will not vote on this proposal until next year now.


The NCAA already hit its quota for smart decisions this week. No way they were about to make a second one.
User avatar
GoldenWarrior11
 
Posts: 1934
Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:20 pm
Location: Chicago, IL

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:55 am

.
Link: Let's review Georgetown – HLOH thread started Sunday March 21, 2021
On Thursday March 25, 2021 FDS wrote:
I know GTown has some big guys coming next year, but Qudus Wahab transferring hurts.

On Thursday March 25, 2021 GumbyDamnit! wrote:
Let’s see...developed by one of the greatest big men of all time to a point where he is unquestionably one of the biggest talents returning in conference on a team trending up.

My fear is this is the start of pure chaos. Unfettered free agency.

You think HS recruiting is an ugly business, just wait to see what happens when studs like Wahab are identified and convinced to come to greener pastures. Someone is undoubtedly in his ear. What a shame for G’town and Wahab’s own development.

Expect to hear and read a lot more about the evils of Unfettered free agency in the weeks and months ahead.

It clearly has the potential to seriously damage college basketball. Some previous posts on this thread are well worth a second look.
.
User avatar
Fieldhouse Flyer
 
Posts: 1389
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:11 am

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:03 am

.
NCAA Council passes one-time transfer legislation allowing athletes immediate eligibility - David Cobb, CBS Sports - April 15, 2021
The long-awaited change in college sports is close to becoming official

The NCAA Division I Council has officially adopted a measure that will allow athletes in all sports to transfer once without sitting a season, the NCAA announced Thursday. The measure will become NCAA rule if it is ratified by the Division I Board of Directors, which next meets on April 28th.

With NCAA one-time transfer legislation adopted, players, coaches and teams will navigate uncertain waters - Dennis Dodd, CBS Sports - April 15, 2021
Remember when the worst thing you could say about the one-time transfer rule was that it was akin to college "free agency"? Transfers run amok, leaving on a whim to the school of their choice? Turns out we're way beyond that.

The NCAA Division I Council on Thursday formally approved long-awaited transfer legislation that will allow all athletes in the five "revenue" sports one free transfer in their careers without sitting out a year-in-residence. The NCAA Board of Directors is expected to rubber stamp the legislation when it meets on April 28.

The implications go beyond the first glance. On its face, transfer freedom will be the latest development that diminishes the NCAA's shrinking power. The association is in this place with transfers because, as one administrator admitted to me years ago, "we were bound to be sued over it."

Transfer freedom had to be allowed because the NCAA's antiquated rules continue to be exposed to legal liability. There's also the hypocrisy to consider. The NCAA says the student-athlete experience should mirror that of the normal student. There wasn't anything normal about transfers in five sports (football, men's and women's basketball, baseball, hockey) being forced to sit out while athletes in 19 other sports did not.

"This rule change is long overdue," attorney Tom Mars told CBS Sports. "It represents a giant step in treating college athletes equally and fairly. It appears the NCAA has finally recognized that college athletes deserve the same freedom of movement as head coaches who are paid millions of dollars a year and freely move from one job to another."

Away we go with unprecedented transfer freedom.

"People say it's like NFL free agency. You hear that all the time. No, it's not," one Power Five football assistant said. "The NFL has a cap and they can pay money. You can outbid somebody. [In college,] you just gotta out-bullshit somebody."

Florida coach Dan Mullen has a vision of that future. "I have a feeling college football will be very different a couple of years from now," Mullen said. "I can't tell you if it will be better or worse. I can't tell you how it will be different. I just think it will be different."

Here's a glimpse.

1. There are more players in the transfer portal than there are available scholarships:

2. It's may not just be a "one-time" transfer exemption: One-time transfer legislation is meant to be just that -- one move without sitting out. But if recent events and the courts have taught us anything, all you need is a capable lawyer and a waiver request to make this transfer thing a revolving door. There will inevitably be requests for a second transfer within a career by players who are unhappy with playing time, wish to be closer to home, etc. You know the reasons. "The reality is, if you're making the right accusations, you're getting a waiver regardless," one administrator said. And what about graduate transfers? The whole idea was to reward an athlete who had completed his/her degree. You're going to deny a senior who wants his master's the ability to transfer for a second time?

3. Roster management will be key:

4. The immediate winners:

5. APR? What APR? The Academic Progress Rate is used annually as a measure of team academic achievement. Teams that don't measure up ...

6. Tampering will run rampant: It goes on now. Everyone knows it goes on now. One-time transfer rules or not, athletes are going to be lured to transfer by outside sources – high school coaches, personal trainers, parents, potentially new teammates. With the doors more wide open, tampering is going to be more prevalent than ever. "Let's call it what it is," Central Michigan coach Jim McElwain said. "Somebody makes a phone call and says, 'We got a scholarship at our school. Would the kid be interested?' There's a lot of that going on."

"Honestly when the guys reach the transfer portal, it's almost too late to go after them," SMU coach Sonny Dykes said. "You know about them because all these kids talk to each other. They all go through the recruiting process together."
.
User avatar
Fieldhouse Flyer
 
Posts: 1389
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:11 am

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby Savannah Jay » Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:46 pm

I love it when coaches like Calipari ($9M/year) and Mullen ($6M/year) complain about the world coming to an end with transfers. Yes, their job is now harder because roster management is harder. But perhaps there will be improvements in the "system" going forward:

1. Perhaps coaches will be more forthright in their recruitment of kids. I think blowing sunshine up a kids arse about his/her future at a given school is more common than tampering but coaches don't wanna talk about that issue.
2. Everyone at a university...professors, coaches, other students, have freedom of movement without punishment. Why hold athletes to such a different standard?
3. Giving a kid another chance to decide his/her best fit, both academically and athletically, once they have more accurate information about a school seems fair. The ramifications of a decision made when they were 16 or 17 should not include one year of basketball or football purgatory, IMO.
4. gtmo made the point last year about as more transfers going "down" instead of "up." There is still the same number of scholies available in the 355 division I schools so for every player that goes from Albany to Villanova, there is another going from Creighton to North Dakota (and averaging 18 ppg his senior year). And kids may move "down" farther than DI so they can play...Creighton may have one or two of those this year.
5. Either the system will adjust (more honesty and open info available to players at initial recruitment so that more informed decisions are made) or coaches will adjust to a more transient roster. This will not be the end of college basketball. Baylor won the natty with 4 transfers and Gonzaga had 3 transfers, a juco, and a one and done. Basketball can still be played at a high level even with roster turnover.

Cheers...
Savannah Jay
 
Posts: 573
Joined: Mon Sep 28, 2015 10:47 am

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Sat Apr 24, 2021 5:42 am

.
Destination Of 2019 NCAA Division I Men’s Basketball Transfers - NCAA.org – January, 2020
Men’s Basketball Transfers by the Numbers (Slide 6 of 17)

In 2017 there were 689 transfers (12.6% of all Division I men’s basketball student-athletes)

In 2018 there were 704 transfers (12.7% of all Division I men’s basketball student-athletes)

In 2019 there were 694 transfers (12.6% of all Division I men’s basketball student-athletes)

Tracking Transfer in Division I Men’s Basketball - NCAA.org – February 8, 2021
In 2020 there were 648 transfers (11.8% of all Division I men’s basketball student-athletes)

Silly Season Commences As The NCAA Transfer Portal Starts Buzzing - Mike Berardino, Forbes - March 30, 2021
If you thought college basketball’s Season of Covid Management was wild, wait until you see what happens next. Reports of 800-plus players in the NCAA transfer portal for men’s basketball had Dick Vitale and everyone else in the coaching fraternity shrieking in public and shaking an angry fist at the sky.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Link:
On Wednesday April 7, 2021 Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:
2021 College Basketball Transfer Portal – VerbalCommits – updated Wednesday April 7, 2021

Total 2021 Transfers To Date: 1253

NCAA Council passes one-time transfer legislation allowing athletes immediate eligibility - David Cobb, CBS Sports - April 15, 2021
The NCAA Division I Council has officially adopted a measure that will allow athletes in all sports to transfer once without sitting a season.

Athletes in fall/winter sports like, football and basketball, will face a Saturday, May 1, 2021 deadline deadline to enter the transfer portal.

2021 College Basketball Transfer Portal – VerbalCommits – updated Saturday April 24, 2021
Total 2021 Transfers To Date: 1453

With one more week to go before the transfer portal closes, a total of 1500 entrants is looking like a real possibility.

It is worth noting that not all of the players who enter the transfer portal will actually transfer to another school, as some of the players have already recommitted to their present school, or will do so before the fall semester begins. Also, players can still transfer after May 1st, but they will then lose a year of eligibility, so it’s quite likely that the number of announced transfers will decline sharply after May 1st.

The final tally for transfers for the 2021-22 season will not be known until late September, but it will certainly exceed the 800 players that had everyone in the coaching fraternity shrieking in public and shaking their angry fists at the sky just three weeks ago.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Related: What the NCAA Transfer Portal is ... and What It Isn’t - NCAA.org

Related: Transfer News homepage - NCAA.org
.
User avatar
Fieldhouse Flyer
 
Posts: 1389
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:11 am

Re: One time transfer proposal

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Sat May 01, 2021 6:08 am

.
2021 College Basketball Transfer Portal – 247Sports – updated May 1, 2021

2021 College Basketball Transfer Portal – VerbalCommits – updated May 1, 2021
Total 2021 Transfers To Date: 1,517
User avatar
Fieldhouse Flyer
 
Posts: 1389
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 5:11 am

Previous

Return to Big East basketball message board

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 9 guests